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Post by Nintendude1189 on Apr 28, 2008 16:48:13 GMT -5
Ok for smashboards, but let's say in 2006 or 2007, we couldn't come here because we found smashboards better? That's still in the timeframe of Smashboards sucking. It's sucked since E3 2006. Even before that time, it sucked for Stadium. There was not even a place to discuss Stadium, and nobody there played. lol just drop the smashboards comparison. I thought I made this clear many times, but I guess not. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH STAYING ON SMASHVRS AS LONG AS YOU STILL CONTRIBUTE TO OUR DATABASEI still don't get how this place is better than AiB anyway. Features on AiB: Stuff pertaining to Stadium is bolded.Social Networking * Facebook-style user profiles * Custom avatars * Friend lists * Private messaging * Smasher Score * User groups * Shoutouts ("wall" posts) * Badges (with special titles) * Recent Activity * Non-smash games (Pokemon, Strikers) Tournaments * Tournament "profiles" with descriptions, locations, rules * Venue information including direct map links * Bulk messaging from host to attendees * "I plan to attend this tournament" * Full comprehensive results for all bracket types * Medals awarded to top 4 finishers * Auto-generated forum topic with rules, directions, etc. * Auto-generated results topic * Special sub-forum for each tournament Forums * "Modern" forum layout and features * Room access restricted by user groups * BBCode, smilies, visual post editor * Forum/topic subscriptions * Signatures, avatars, custom titles * New posts since last visit * Special topics and forums for tournaments, user groups, news, and videos Chat * IRC-style chat room (Live Stadium chatroom) * Emotes, private messages ("tells"), Who's Online * Chatroom bans Videos * Categorization by game, mode, submode, players, characters * Easy searching and browsing * Easy upload process imports info from Youtube * Commenting and rating separate from Youtube * Albums group similar videos together * Easy linking of your own records to videos uploaded on the site * Forum topic for videos and albums that tie into comment systemSite content * News blog ala Joystiq* Article system for interviews, guides, etc. * Tagging system for each searching, sorting, and tying news to videos/other content areas* Comments tie into forum system * Database of Stadium records with interactive leaderboards. * History tracking of records so nothing is ever lost. * Automatic proof moderation to easily deal with dishonest members.Community involvement * Repeating article series on players, tournament hosts, 1P strategies, etc* Lots of badges given to members to recognize their contributions* Featured videos, tournaments, groups So yeah in addition to all the bolded features you get all that non-bolded stuff. It's ludicrous to even think that this site compares to AiB.
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Post by Nintendude1189 on Apr 28, 2008 16:51:53 GMT -5
I only play Melee HRC competitively at the moment, so give me a reason why I can't talk on Smash VRs etc... Then post my scores on Folderol? I respect Neal, and his site is clearly well done, however your attitude makes me dislike it. I don't get what you are bitching about then. The Melee board was never closed, and this argument has been about Brawl Stadium, which apparently is not relevant to you. Thanks for wasting my time.
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Post by Treklink256 on Apr 28, 2008 19:36:44 GMT -5
And thanks for wasting ours, ND.
The way you've been ramming it down everyone's throats, if I wasn't already a member there, I sure wouldn't want to join either. <_<
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Post by 蹴飛冥 on Apr 28, 2008 21:51:56 GMT -5
As the spokesperson and self-proclaimed head of smashvrs, I want to say that smashvrs is a good site with a good community for ssbm stadium. As we all know, smashvrs was established to break free of the limited interface of gamefaqs to better serve stadium needs and provide resources to players (namely, vids <_<). Though we still have an active WR list archive (thanks to trek =)), we are lacking in the vids department since as we all know PYh has left, leaving us with just the forum and no site. In the dawn of the brawl area, the SSBB community should have the right to the same benefits that were given to us in the prime of the smashvids melee era, and then some. The brawl community can thrive and better itself if it was based on one website. Now the question comes to which website? Gamefaqs is a horrible mess. smashvrs, though it has a good small community, lacks administration which does not allow for many player resources. On the other hand, neal has done all he can to give AiB all the resources a player needs. The same reason people flocked to smashvids in the gamefaqs era is the reason why people should go to AiB in this era. smashvids can run as a ssbm site but becomes obsolete in the ssbb department.
if this doesnt persuade you, my next arguement is orange > green
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Post by sasabe on Apr 28, 2008 23:35:03 GMT -5
r1k summed it up nicely.
The top players, along with many others, have signed up at AiB. If a small group wants to stay here, it's no big deal. As AiB continues to establish itself as the home for the brawl stadium community, posting your records here will be more and more like keeping them to yourself =|.
Who knows, maybe, just maybe, in two years perhaps AiB will explode and everyone will be posting at gamefaqs again. (Which i personally wouldnt mind at all =P)
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Post by Chaos Zero on Apr 29, 2008 10:10:57 GMT -5
I'm bitching about the fact that you are forcing us to go to AiB.
Like Treklink said, if I wasn't a member, I wouldn't want to go there.
Just because I don't play Brawl Stadium Competitively, doesn't mean I have no right to post about it. So yeah, try to read my posts properly.
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Post by 蹴飛冥 on Apr 29, 2008 10:27:37 GMT -5
Chaos Zero, you wouldnt happen to by ex girlfriend would you?
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Post by Sword of Seals on Apr 29, 2008 12:51:15 GMT -5
WARNING, LONG POST AHEAD
Look what you did. I blame this on whoever made a brawl section here. Although I like the idea, Its only causing arguments. <_<
I'd have to agree with Jerry3333 and Chaos Zero. Force hardly gets anyone anywhere. And I for one, hate being told what to do.
However, I can see that All is Brawl is a good place to talk about Brawl Stadium and to set up tournament matches and the other 1 thousand things Nintendude said.
Most of us have found ourselves attached to this site (I know for a fact that I have). I joined 1 year ago, and have been here almost on a daily basis. I just like the community here. Friendly, helpful, and I have many friends here.
Although, all the "Great" players (Yes, I put that word In those for a reason) are joining All is Brawl. So what the heck? Who cares? I prefer discussing Brawl with some people I have known for a while who I am good friends with, Instead of the "Smash Gods".
I can understand how much Neal is putting himself on the line to get this site to be the "Best of the Best of the Best". But In some peoples minds, that is not a possible thing that can be achieved. You need to understand that. I know, unexplainable. But still, not everything In life can be explained.
EXAMPLE
Do I force you to upgrade to Vista? Because its a complete better version of XP with more features and gimmicks and things? Most would say, NO, because they aren't comfortable with a change.
However, i can understand r1k's and Nintendude's argument. The site is a better source than here, and has a lot more popularity. Neal is adding features as the weeks go by and it is a great site. I can't argue with that. The forum is huge, and it has almost everything a Brawl related site could ask for.
I personally think you should let people do as they please. There are only about 100 (Or less) members here, and most have joined All is Brawl and do post there. What will 30 or so people from here refusing to join All is Brawl do to the site? Nothing. It will gather more members from everywhere else.
You could go on random sites and advertise there If you want more members. (Cyberscore, Speed Demos Archive, Various other places come to mind).
This site will remain awesome. It got me and many into Smash. That fact cannot be denied. However, this site is dying. Nintendo released Brawl, and most are ditching Melee's 1 Player Mode to Brawl (Makes no sense to me, I still say Melee has the best Stadium), but I can accept it.
One question remains for me. Do I still have permission to post here, At All? You cannot deny you are also trying to move all the Melee Stadium players to All is Brawl. No one goes on General for anything, and Brawl Section was blocked off in attempt to force feed us some All is Brawl.
The Melee part remains untouched, although its dying. I also recall Nintendude moving someone from 10 man melee here, to go to All is Brawl.
I'd seriously consider renaming that site.
But yes, will I eventually be thrown off here? Will all the board areas be links to All is Brawl soon? I can honestly see that coming in the near future.
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Post by Chaos Zero on Apr 29, 2008 13:44:15 GMT -5
Chaos Zero, you wouldnt happen to by ex girlfriend would you? 'Happen to by ex girlfriend would you' makes no sense. What are you trying to say? Not being sarcastic, I honestly can't read that Also, why should we contribute to your database if we don't want to? The more you force me to, the less I'll want to.
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Post by Nintendude1189 on Apr 29, 2008 16:36:01 GMT -5
I already said everything that I feel needs to be said so I'll reiterate my original point.
The Stadium community has always been really disorganized. Back in the GameFAQs days we had GameFAQs players and the Japanese on Hippodrome. The two communities were completely separate until people like Sin came along to bridge the gap, sort of relaying messages between the two communities. However, it was still frustrating, and also the community grew notably slowly compared to others. That's because we were on GameFAQs, which is not a Smash community. It is just a general gaming community.
So now we have AiB, SVRs, and whatever Japanese sites (I think it may still be Hippodrome) there are. Do people realize how frustrating it is to have this kind of break up? Player A: Wowzers I just got a WR! Then later Player A finds out that Player B on another site already had a better record, but it was not documented anywhere so he couldn't know about it. What about record lists? Well, a complete record list spanning all the scores on all the websites is awfully hard to make and it has to be done by hand. You get a lot of records that come from word-of-mouth alone (like people reporting scores they see on other sites). With this comes more confusion. Tetsuya's Event scores? I think some of those were mistranslations, and this problem would not exist if the community acted as a whole instead of as separate factions. The only reason why Melee's record lists got more organized in the end is because a few top players emerged and the records were all held between 10 people, with no new records coming from other players.
Why split up the community when you don't have to? Why voluntarily make our (the Stadium community's) database more incomplete? Why not help make our auto-updating record lists actual record lists? If everyone from SVRs goes to AiB, then what's the difference?
Honestly, I just get the impression that you are refusing to conform because you can, and that won't work for you. Look what happened to Tinister. He refused to leave GameFAQs, and now he's just plain gone, left all by himself.
And just so you know, the title, "All is Brawl" exists to appeal to the masses. Brawl's community grows with new players, not with Melee players.
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Post by Sword of Seals on Apr 29, 2008 17:17:26 GMT -5
All I can say is : Good Luck.
No sarcasm intended, but what you are trying to achieve sounds near impossible to achieve. You just can't group absolutely everyone onto one site. (Some at the Mario Kart area are trying to get the really good Japanese Mario Kart players to join the Mario Kart Players Pages, Its hard work and almost impossible). However, you can get enough people on there that you will not need to search around sites for high scores.
And most of the "God" players from here are at All is Brawl posting their records. You are talking of very few people that would be here. And most would post on All is Brawl anyway. So whats the worry?
I know my Brawl Stadium scores won't be anywhere near as good as the ones hosted on All is Brawl, So does it matter if I post my scores here nor there? I never have nor will contribute anything useful to Smash. So why make all the fuss? Would It really help If I was at All is Brawl instead of Smash Video Records? The mission is completed. All the players you wanted there are there.
Seriously, you have nothing to worry about. You've moved alot from here to All is Brawl (Mostly the "God" like players, the ones who were always good at Melee Stadium).
Does this site have to die, Nintendude? Is it necessary?
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Post by Nintendude1189 on Apr 29, 2008 17:39:21 GMT -5
Yes, it's impossible, but we can do the best job we can. The Mario Kart situation is different because there is always a divide between Japan and the rest of the world due to a language barrier mainly. I'd prefer if Japanese players joined AiB but I know that isn't realistic. What Mario Kart does good, however, is keeping the entire rest of the world together. They have Japan on site, and the rest of the world on another. Why can't Smash do that?
I know my Brawl Stadium scores won't be anywhere near as good as the ones hosted on All is Brawl, So does it matter if I post my scores here nor there? I never have nor will contribute anything useful to Smash. So why make all the fuss? Would It really help If I was at All is Brawl instead of Smash Video Records? The mission is completed. All the players you wanted there are there.
That's irrelevant. Everyone counts. Everyone is a part of the Stadium community. If only WR holders were at AiB that would be pretty dumb.
Seriously, you have nothing to worry about. You've moved alot from here to All is Brawl (Mostly the "God" like players, the ones who were always good at Melee Stadium).
I hardly moved any actually. Do you realize how big GameFAQs is compared to SVRs? SVRs is a really really tiny little outpost. You have a hard time seeing the big picture since you don't go anywhere but SVRs, and you also didn't join the community until SVRs. People described going to SVRs as "crawling into the woods and dying." There was huge opposition to this forum even existing for Stadium because it's so isolated from the internet, but it happened since topics like MMM were moving too slowly to survive on GameFAQs. Cort and neal, as well as others, told people about AiB and what it had to offer, and then people thought it was a good idea and just went. No convincing necessary. That's because it is a good site with lots to offer and mass exposure on the internet. SVRs is nothing like that. There is no reason for people to post here anymore.
Does this site have to die, Nintendude? Is it necessary?
WHAT PART OF YOU CAN POST ON MULTIPLE SITES DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND JEEZ LOL
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Post by LinksDarkArrows on Apr 29, 2008 18:35:59 GMT -5
This reminds me of another attachment issue many of us have seen in the past. I'm not talking about any real life changes, because those clearly aren't working. I'm here to reopen a dark chapter of Majora's Mask.
Many a day the people lived in Termina peacefully, not knowing they were the parallel form of Hyrule. Link had gone from his Home in Hyrule in search of an old friend, possibly Navi. When he arrives in the promise land of Termina, we immediately notice something wrong- The moon is way too close. Over the course of the next three days, everyone is wondering what they should do. Should we leave? Should we stay? it seems that no one could make up their mind without a higher up giving them instructions. At the morning of day four, the moon comes crashing down not only on Clock Town, but all of Termina field and the outside organizations, as well.
How does this relate? Simple. Link's world begins to crash down when he leaves what he loves most. (Hyrule) On his way, he's forced by a skull kid to follow him through the forest, ending up in clock town. (Hmm. Force. Have I heard this before?) Now in clock town, Link is completely lost. Everything seems great. There are new surroundings, tricks, bells and whistles to play with, but something doesn't feel quite right. Your happiness for something you are uncomfortable with will only last for a short period. After that, the "moon" will come crashing down on your happiness. Say that Neal adds another feature or something to the site, your enjoyment can be restored with Neal's "song of time", but how long do these songs of reverting work? You eventually get tired of having to restart your days, or keep finding a reason to stay somewhere. In the end, you just give up, abandoning both the old and new, and possibly part of the game itself. (The Game being Melee/Brawl. Whatever you play the most)
During the events in the three days, everyone turns to the Mayor for instructions and not thinking for themselves. The Mayor is only able to make his choice after a little boy brings in a mask that reminds him of what truly matters. In this case, it's our love for Smash. He then decides that it's time for those who wish to stay can stay, and that those who wish to see shelter, or even salvation, can venture out into the world. Now keep in mind that these people knew nothing outside of clock town, just how these new people know not so much outside of Smash Video Forums. As with any small community, jumping into a large one can be pretty fearful. That is one of the reasons why it's gone over so well for many of us. We've all done GameFAQs before, but that's because we started there.
In conclusion, I say that this topic should just be dropped, and we should remember the thing that brings us all together on a nearly daily basis, Super Smash Brothers. Whether to choose to stay here, or go there, it should not matter. People will always inform you of what happens on the outside, and if the people who like the idea of a small forum decide to one day venture out, we should them welcome them with open arms, and not a "it's about time" attitude. Sure, this isn't a life or death situation, and some may argue that bringing up something that hasn't happened in real life silly, but isn't fighting about which site to go to also a little silly?
Now, I leave this topic hoping I gave everyone something to think about, as well as one quote. "Let sleeping dogs lie."
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Post by Nintendude1189 on Apr 29, 2008 22:45:41 GMT -5
That was beautiful.
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Post by marth1 on Apr 29, 2008 23:46:43 GMT -5
people still visit this? weird...all is brawl is good and there is no reason not to join it if you are interested in playing stadium and talking to people and stuff
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Post by jerry3333 on Apr 30, 2008 18:04:05 GMT -5
''All is Brawl is currently down as part of our weekly update cycle. Please check back in 5 minutes!''
>_>
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Post by Sword of Seals on Apr 30, 2008 18:16:34 GMT -5
''All is Brawl is currently down as part of our weekly update cycle. Please check back in 5 minutes!'' >_> Another reason to make the switch. It seems to be more reliable. When Its up, Its great, but I experiance too many of those sorts of things. I get errors when browsing the forums sometimes. Does anyone know whats going on with this?
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Post by sasabe on Apr 30, 2008 19:46:02 GMT -5
SoS, jerry: That's not such a bad thing. The site goes down because it's being updated with new content/features. Annoying I guess, but worth it.
I can understand why you would want to stay here Sos. I see where your coming from, really. Maybe bringing up the fact that the "God players", as you like to call them, are switching to AiB wasn't the right way to put it. My point was, where the top ranking players go, the majority will follow.
But hey... Majority, minority, we're all brothers in smash.
You're welcome at AiB anytime if you want to join. In fact, it would be pretty zoompie if you did - the more the marrier! I personally will be checking SVR sometimes, but mostly posting at AiB.
Why am i making the switch? I never got too attached to SVR. I posted a lot at gamefaqs but was MIA when pyh made this site.
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Post by Nintendude1189 on Apr 30, 2008 21:06:35 GMT -5
Another reason to make the switch. It seems to be more reliable. When Its up, Its great, but I experiance too many of those sorts of things. I get errors when browsing the forums sometimes. Does anyone know whats going on with this? This is the kind of thing that pisses me off. ''All is Brawl is currently down as part of our weekly update cycle. Please check back in 5 minutes!''
>_>They took down the website for like 5-10 minutes, and look what happened. They UPDATED with four improvements to the site, and you complain about 5 minutes of down time? wtf? And with the forum errors, how many times have I (and others) said that you can just ask neal? There's a site feedback board for a reason and that gets many posts per day. If you just report the glitches and inquire about them, like, actually taking some initiative for once, you will get answers and results.
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Post by mudi on May 1, 2008 4:27:57 GMT -5
yeah i totally agree with nintendude for once actually xD. stop that lame bitching about 5-10 min downtime cause when i noticed that i was more like "oh that's no problem, good to see that they are improving the site again".
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Post by jerry3333 on May 1, 2008 5:46:29 GMT -5
that was sarcasm, but it's not only happening once in a time, it's happening often... ANYWAY, I said what I had to say, so, I'll just leave this topic die..
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Post by Sword of Seals on May 1, 2008 11:17:36 GMT -5
Sorry guys, but this site is as good as dead. And I know that many a people are happy of this achievement.
I'm sorry for bitching and causing inconvenience. I'll let this alone now, I've pissed off quite a lot of people. Don't worry, I won't stand up for what I believe in ever again.
However. You won't see me around the Smash community much anymore.
I wish you all luck with the new site, I hope all goes well. And of course, Smash as a whole.
Happy Smashing, Guys.
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Post by Nintendude1189 on May 1, 2008 12:41:31 GMT -5
Don't worry, I won't stand up for what I believe in ever again. This will probably come off the wrong way, but all I have to say is that this is the internet, and you have to learn how to separate the internet from reality. Remember what's really important in the end.
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Post by Sword of Seals on May 1, 2008 13:56:46 GMT -5
Don't worry, I won't stand up for what I believe in ever again. This will probably come off the wrong way, but all I have to say is that this is the internet, and you have to learn how to separate the internet from reality. Remember what's really important in the end. Its ok, I understand. Well, thanks for the advice. Now go and make All is Brawl a huge success.
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Post by sasabe on May 1, 2008 21:07:43 GMT -5
Oh lord jesus
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